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Far fetched theories

Post by scoobydoo » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:43 am

Ok so pat brown and others say that their theories are based on evidence and are not far fetched. Let's have a look at some of their claims.

That Madeleine was drugged and died....
So where is the evidence. No one who had anything to do with Madeleine including child care professionals saw anything to indicate a drugged child either in her behaviour or appearance. Photos taken of her that week show a normal healthy child. The only motive the antis can come up with is sedation, but where is the evidence for that? The evidence as I just described goes against that. Madeleine was capable of joining in with her friends in activities not at all sluggish but by end of an afternoon in the sea and sun going on a boat twice she was tired. Exactly how a normal child behaves. Nothing indicating a sedated child or one who needed sedation. And with what medication. Calpol is not a sedative, it is virtually impossible for a child to overdose on it with immediate effect because it is so sickly they would vomit it up, and an overdose of paracetamol (calpol is paracetamol) is not a nice tidy affair.it can take days, leads to major vomiting etc. It just does not happen. Has anyone ever heard of a child dying from an accidental overdose? The only ones that come to mind are methodone, and that is not something the McCanns would happen to have with them, and it's not something you would just suddenly use.

Gerry walking through town with Madeleine after she died and bring spotted.
No evidence smithman was Gerry, all evidence points away. He had witnesses placing him elsewhere at the time, he was pale the man was described as being tanned and weathered, he was stocky the man was described as skinny. The McCanns had been raising the alarm right about them not exactly a good idea if you are in the middle of carrying out hiding your childs body.

The McCanns carried Madeleine's dead body through a British airport months after she died.
No evidence to support this. A dead body would be very very obvious from the smell ( no a body would not mummify within weeks in Portugal especially not in the sand) and also UK and Portuguese airports scan all bags so it would show up visually.

Not exactly a theory, but claims of a missing blue bag
There never was any missing bag

That mi5, UK governments etc were involved in a cover up.
Really? Not a shred of evidence circumstantial or otherwise. Why? The McCanns are ordinary people. Professional but ordinary. The uk does put middle class professionals in prison. Why would these organisations help them cover up a death, why the need to hide Madeleine then why not just say her death was accidental if there is so much power. Would it not be easy to say that someone was babysitting her since not all the group actually stayed for dinner the entire time? Why the whole disappeared? And if the government would protect the McCanns, why would they not protect princess Ann from getting a criminal record?

That the McCanns hide Madeleine then retrieved her body months later
Again no evidence. They were constantly photographed and filmed and surrounded by police and journalists, exactly how would they have managed this one and why? Why risk moving an obviously well hidden body when you have about a hundred witnesses with cameras tailing you

A double was used

Yep apparently another toddler was brought to Portugal to pretend to be Madeleine and disappeared again. All crèche records show every child on the tapas nine group were accounted for, and no other records such as flight records show any evidence that a Madeleine look a like was taken to Portugal to pose as Madeleine during her holiday.

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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by Hael » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:57 am

The trolls funding a shamed coppers right to lie about Kate and Gerry McCann are a new level of weirdo.[omitted] they may have destroyed all hope for good.Talking up conspiracy theories is one thing.Wrecking the search for an abducted child is another.-The Sun

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Post by catkins » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:00 pm

The ...."stuffed inside a Labrador's corpse" and then incinerated.......... :insanity:
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by catkins » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:02 pm

Or.....remind me someone of the involvement of an innocent *** THOU SHALL NOT USE THIS WORD *** tree.....



Or the innocent fridge.......
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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Post by Winter » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:21 pm

Madeleine didn't exist, hence the need to buy her birth certificate to prove it.
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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by Hael » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:24 pm

catkins wrote:Or.....remind me someone of the involvement of an innocent *** THOU SHALL NOT USE THIS WORD *** tree.....



Or the innocent fridge.......
:s_biggrin Got to love the forum filter.

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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by sal » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:43 pm

3a discussing burial at sea...

Sentinels reply :s_biggrin
yes,
shortly before the private plane took off, all the tapas group assembled on the shore leaving cleverly disguised decoys at the tapas bar. that is why they can't put a proper timeline together, because the decoys came from esther mcvey's decoy supplier.
then, they all went in blue jipes to the shore sneakily passing the irish families past the church where the priest was dumping his fridge.

then they had a huge swinging orgy on the beach apart from the granny and they had kate's mum patch the liverpool priest through on the mobile to do the last rites and impromptu funeral ceremony whilst rachel (swoon) went off to find a blue bag. Murat was making muratic acid to assist with the apartment clean up.

after that gerry's brother and clarence flew off on the private jet with the fridge to malta to the secret chateau where simon templar lives.

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Post by catkins » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:40 pm

:s_biggrin....ah so that's what happened to the fridge.
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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Post by Whiterose » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:03 pm

sal wrote:3a discussing burial at sea...

Sentinels reply :s_biggrin
yes,
shortly before the private plane took off, all the tapas group assembled on the shore leaving cleverly disguised decoys at the tapas bar. that is why they can't put a proper timeline together, because the decoys came from esther mcvey's decoy supplier.
then, they all went in blue jipes to the shore sneakily passing the irish families past the church where the priest was dumping his fridge.

then they had a huge swinging orgy on the beach apart from the granny and they had kate's mum patch the liverpool priest through on the mobile to do the last rites and impromptu funeral ceremony whilst rachel (swoon) went off to find a blue bag. Murat was making muratic acid to assist with the apartment clean up.

after that gerry's brother and clarence flew off on the private jet with the fridge to malta to the secret chateau where simon templar lives.
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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by Whiterose » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:04 pm

They give 5a a 'forensic' clean so that no DNA of Madeleine's was in the apartment. :s_crazy
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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by scoobydoo » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:22 pm

Princess Diana,

Because Diana died in a car crash in Paris 1997 and paramedics tried to try to save her life she was given heart massage. In 2007 Gerry McCann was a cardiologist therefore he has some dirt on the royal family which means the UK would engage in a high profile cover up. Again not sure how a vanishing was the best way to cover anything up.

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Post by catkins » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:37 pm

Oh and a reminder on JATYK2

Not to forget the volcano theory..... :rolleyes:
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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Post by Cath » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:01 pm

Hael wrote:
catkins wrote:Or.....remind me someone of the involvement of an innocent *** THOU SHALL NOT USE THIS WORD *** tree.....



Or the innocent fridge.......
:s_biggrin Got to love the forum filter.

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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by Alibongo » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:14 pm

Whiterose wrote:They give 5a a 'forensic' clean so that no DNA of Madeleine's was in the apartment. :s_crazy
That makes me lol every time :s_rofl
So how do the haters explain how guests occupying 5a before the McCann's had their DNA still present?

:s_crazy :snig:
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Post by Rob1 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:59 pm

K+G are paying thousands of people to support them and/or to be quiet about what they know.
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Post by Rob1 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:01 pm

K+G faked Madeleine's abduction because they wanted a longer holiday in Portugal.
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Post by catkins » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:01 pm

And it would probably be quicker to list anyone "high up" who is not involved in helping the cover up. :mrgreen:
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Post by Rob1 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:26 pm

catkins wrote:And it would probably be quicker to list anyone "high up" who is not involved in helping the cover up. :mrgreen:
K+G spend the fund on making their house larger and celebrity lifestyle.

K+G command the government and the medias.
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Post by Hael » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:34 pm

Alibongo wrote:
Whiterose wrote:They give 5a a 'forensic' clean so that no DNA of Madeleine's was in the apartment. :s_crazy
That makes me lol every time :s_rofl
So how do the haters explain how guests occupying 5a before the McCann's had their DNA still present?

:s_crazy :snig:
The McCann's are so super clever, they only forensically cleaned up Madeleine's DNA. Who said those MI5 'how to cover your arse' classes didn't pay off, hey! :s_wink
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Post by Hael » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:34 pm

catkins wrote:And it would probably be quicker to list anyone "high up" who is not involved in helping the cover up. :mrgreen:
Spot on! :s_thumbsup
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Post by Hael » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:44 pm

Wasn't there also one about the church and the key's? They buried her under the church, hence the priest giving them a key to visit when they wanted. And, of course, the priest was also 'in on it'.
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Post by Hael » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:07 pm

Coincidentally I've just come upon an article in the Telegraph on line, in which Clarence Mitchell mentions some theories. My underline.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/e ... ne-mccann/
Exclusive: 'Twice in the past ten years, I thought we'd found Madeleine McCann'
Clarence Mitchell
28 APRIL 2017 • 9:30PM

A former BBC reporter, Clarence Mitchell was appointed to assist Kate and Gerry McCann as their media spokesman following the disappearance of their daughter, Madeleine, in Portugal in 2007. Mitchell now works for a public relations company and continues to assist the McCanns when necessary. Here is his incredible account of the youngster's disappearance, the police operation to find her and the subsequent 10 years of anguish....

Twice in the ten years I have worked with the McCanns, I genuinely thought we were within reach of finding their missing daughter, Madeleine.

The first moment came very early on, just weeks after her disappearance on May 3, 2007. I had been sent by the British government to the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz to assist Kate and Gerry in dealing with the already huge media interest. Shortly after I arrived, I started to get phone calls, always at three o’clock in the morning, always the same ghostly man’s voice, repeatedly naming a farm where she was being hidden.

The British police recorded the calls and it turned out there was indeed a farm, fitting his description exactly, near Seville, over the border in Spain. As it was raided, and turned out to look exactly as he had painted it in those calls, I really felt we were on to something. But she wasn’t there, and those tip-offs – like so many others that we received from hoaxers, ransom seekers, conmen and psychics – were never explained.

The second came at the end of 2007. I was now being employed by Kate and Gerry as their press spokesman, and they were back at home in Leicestershire with their twins, S*** and A*****. Spanish private investigators working on their behalf had found a blonde-haired girl who spoke English in a village in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco. All the information coming back to us suggested heavily that it could be Madeleine, so much so that an aircraft was put on stand-by, with its engines running, waiting to fly to pick her up.

Kate and Gerry sat tight. They had learned by that stage to be sceptical, not to give in to natural hope only for it to be dashed. They preferred to wait until the Moroccan authorities had checked it out. And when they did, it became clear she was not Madeleine.

On the tenth anniversary of her disappearance, I continue to assist Kate and Gerry as required, keeping a weather eye on reports and sightings, such as the “significant lead” that Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said this week that Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange is following up.

Beyond that, rightly, the Metropolitan Police do not go into operational detail publicly. So, wherever this latest lead may take them, be it Portugal or elsewhere, this time around, like Kate and Gerry, I will sit tight and simply let the authorities do their job before getting my hopes up.

I had spent 20 years as a BBC journalist before becoming a civil servant and helping the McCanns. I met Gerry first. It was some two weeks after Madeleine had gone missing, and he had flown back to England to collect some of her belongings and see members of their large, close extended family.

Obviously, he was distressed, but also very rational. As I have subsequently learnt by spending time with the couple at close quarters, Gerry deals with trauma by compartmentalising it and being in control. His emotions, then as now, are poured into what he can do practically to raise awareness of Madeleine’s disappearance.

In Portugal, I found Kate very friendly, grateful for the support I could offer, but already wary of the media attention. Even though she realised that it was invaluable in keeping awareness high, she – more so that Gerry – found it very intrusive.

That was before it turned into something altogether more cruel, with the McCanns becoming widely vilified for making a mistake in the way in which they chose to care for their children on that fateful night in Praia da Luz. They had left them in an unlocked holiday apartment, though still checking on them regularly, because there was no baby-listening service at their complex.

They were always the first to admit their mistake, but what a price they are still paying. God forbid it is a price they may have to pay for the rest of their lives. I was with them, in private, away from the cameras on many occasions, when they were in absolute grief and misery.

For all the doubters, they have never done or said anything at any time that has given me any cause for suspicion that they were anything other than the innocent victims of a dreadful crime. Before that first meeting with Gerry, I was briefed by British police working alongside the Portuguese on the case. They told me then, categorically, that they had “cleared the ground beneath their feet”.

In other words, the British authorities believed that Gerry and Kate were categorically not guilty of any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Yet the Portuguese police turned against them, naming them as arguido, a technical term conferring certain legal rights that is clumsily and misleadingly translated into English as “suspect”. You can become an arguido over the most minor traffic offence.

By that time, though, I had been called back by the government to London, but Kate and Gerry were ringing me at four in the morning saying: “We’ve been out here in Portugal too long, we’ve been stitched up, we’re about to be arrested, it’s all dreadful.”

Other than being sympathetic, I couldn’t do anything to help them. So when the offer came to work for them full-time, I took it in an instant.

What stands out, looking back over ten years, is the sheer lunacy of the accusations made against them.

There was, for instance, the theory entertained by the Portuguese police that their daughter had somehow been killed accidentally and that they then had used their hire car to remove her body and bury it in a secret location. I was there when the keys to that car were handed over to them, at their apartment; they hired it several weeks after Madeleine had disappeared.

Even if they had already got their daughter’s body out of the holiday apartment and stored it somewhere (a fridge was suggested, ridiculously), the police theory would mean that, in the full view of the world’s media, who were camped on their doorstep around the clock, the McCanns would have had to put her into the boot and then shaken off the ever-present paparazzi to dispose of her. It was as implausible as it was utterly offensive.

Later, in the autumn of 2007, when we were all back in England, a team of Portuguese police officers came to interview me about the times I had ridden in that car with Kate and Gerry. Did I notice any unusual smells in the hire car, they asked? It was beyond laughable. It also revealed, I felt, frightening ineptitude.

By then, a whole, vile cottage industry had grown around the case, with retired police officers who had nothing to do with the investigation appearing on Portuguese TV to suggest, for example, the McCanns had been at a swingers’ party on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance. It all compounded their pain.

Kate, in particular, got deeply angry. There was no shouting, sobbing or throwing things. It was more of a simmering but intense rage that things could be so misrepresented and so blatantly unfair.

Their real fury, though, was that such lazy reporting of wild untruths would actually mislead people and so hinder the search for Madeleine. That was why they took legal action against Gonçalo Amaral, the Portuguese police officer who wrote a very unpleasant book about them after being removed from the investigation. If people in Portugal, or elsewhere, believe the claims of an officer who never interviewed them, then Kate and Gerry feared that the public would simply assume Madeleine was dead and forget her.

The pressure would have broken other couples. Occasionally, I would catch them in tears, or hugging each other. But they seem to have coped. If anything, it has brought them together even more, rather than split them apart.

The McCanns are private people. I have never been privy to their innermost thoughts. It is not that sort of relationship. We haven’t even discussed politics. I am hoping to stand as a Conservative candidate in the forthcoming election, and my flag is blue; theirs, I’ve always believed, is red. It certainly didn’t affect our friendship.

They have thrown themselves into looking after the twins, trying as best to create a home where reminders of Madeleine are all around them, where she is still very much part of the family, and where they can shield S*** and A***** against this constant gaze that the family is still under.

We have a good understanding with the British media that, until they are 18, the twins should never be photographed, but we can’t always enforce it. A local paper here or a foreign agency photographer there has occasionally managed to include them “by accident” in a photograph at a school sports day or other public event.

Despite the support they have received, there are still bills to pay. Before Madeleine’s disappearance, Kate was a locum GP, but she has never returned to work. Gerry continues as a senior cardiologist. (It is a tiny point, but symbolic of how almost every fact is twisted in this story. Gerry is not a surgeon, as often inaccurately reported. He is the man who keeps you alive and your essential tubes open when you are having your heart operation under the surgeon’s knife.)

Kate and Gerry hate being recognised. When I was with them, we would sometimes walk into a restaurant and the whole place would go quiet as they entered. People are mostly sympathetic. Many just don’t know what to say to them.

Nobody in my experience has ever been bold enough to accuse them of anything unpleasant to their faces. All of the worst, ugly nonsense is online – that Gerry is not Madeleine’s real dad, that p.a.e.d.o.philia is somehow involved, that there’s a huge global government conspiracy to cover something up.

One of the most ridiculous and offensive theories I have come across online – and there are many – is that Madeleine had somehow been hidden at the church in Praia da Luz inside a coffin, beneath a body awaiting burial.


I continue to believe Madeleine was abducted for some reason. Kate is sure that, just short of her fourth birthday, Madeleine would not have been capable of wandering out of the apartment, closing the curtains, sliding doors and two small gates behind her.

And so the couple keep her bedroom in Leicestershire ready for her return, with the presents there for all the birthdays and Christmases with them that she has missed. It is very much a family-only place. In all my time in their house, that door has remained shut.

They hope and pray that, wherever she is, Madeleine is being looked after. What sustains them is that there is absolutely no evidence of physical harm coming to her. So they will always believe firmly that it is as logical to think she might be alive as it is illogical to assume the worst.

As told to Peter Stanford
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Re: Far fetched theories

Post by scoobydoo » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:11 pm

Not so much a theory as down right lie....

But the claim the DNA would be considered a match in the UK but Portugal needed a match to all nineteen markers. This is an out and out lie. There is no magic number where something is definitely considered someone's Dna, it is all a matter of chances basically i.e 1 in a million 1 in a hundred etc. So a case might go to prosecution in one case on a one in a hundred chance in another one in a million it really depends on the context and other evidence. But this is when they know they are looking at material from one person, in no circumstances would it be acceptable in any country to say that if a sample comes from multiple people that the fact 15 markers were also found in the DNA of one of the contributes means that it came from that contributed. You could not say if all 15 came from that person since markers are not unique to an individual. This is especially true when the other contributed are close relatives since they will share markers. Just as Madeleine had the same last name as Kate McCann and two letters from her first name matched Kate's first name so Madeleine had ten markers identical to Kate, and ten identical markers to Gerry, and so on with other family members.

What shows the person who made this claim up as a complete and utter liar rather than just mistaken is the fact they claim Portugal needs 19 markers . Not only is this untrue but markers are examined in pairs so 19 would never be the number looked at. The liar got confused because reports refer to Madeleine as having 19 markers, however she had 20 ( well, they examined this set 20 to be exact) it's just that two were identical as one of the markers she got from her father was identical to the one she got from her mother so she has 19 DIFFERENT markers. If this person really believes in the McCanns guilt, why lie?

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