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Post by jjbd » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:47 pm

Air France Flight 447
the aircraft's black boxes were not recovered from the ocean floor until May 2011, nearly two years later

This isn’t the first time a large commercial flight has mysteriously disappeared. The 2009 vanishing of Air France flight 447 over the Atlantic from Rio de Janeiro to Paris was shrouded in mystery for years. That crash killed 216 passengers and 12 aircrew.

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by catkins » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:52 pm

How the heck did they find it?

Were they looking for the whole two years or was it a fluke find?
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Post by jjbd » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:56 pm

In July 2010, the US-based search consultancy Metron had been engaged to draw up a probability map of where to focus the search, based on prior probabilities from flight data and local condition reports, combined with the results from the previous searches. The Metron team used what it described as "classic" Bayesian search methods, an approach that had previously been successful in the search for the submarine USS Scorpion and SS Central America. Phase 4 of the search operation started close to the aircraft's last known position, which was identified by the Metron study as being the most likely resting place of flight 447.[122][123]

Within a week of resuming of the search operation, on 3 April 2011, a team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution operating full ocean depth autonomous underwater vehicles (AUVs) owned by the Waitt Institute discovered, by means of sidescan sonar, a large portion of the debris field from flight AF447.[122] Further debris and bodies, still trapped in the partly intact remains of the aircraft's fuselage, were located in water depths of between 3,800 to 4,000 metres (2,100 to 2,200 fathoms; 12,500 to 13,100 ft). The debris was found to be lying in a relatively flat and silty area of the ocean floor (as opposed to the extremely mountainous topography that was originally believed to be AF447's final resting place).[citation needed] Other items found were engines, wing parts and the landing gear.

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by jjbd » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:57 pm

catkins wrote:How the heck did they find it?

Were they looking for the whole two years or was it a fluke find?
the whole time

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by catkins » Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:07 pm

jjbd wrote:
catkins wrote:How the heck did they find it?

Were they looking for the whole two years or was it a fluke find?
the whole time
Gosh......good on them though....Was anything obtained from the Black Box considering they only have a certain amount of "life" ?
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Thanks Expat......

Bloody hell how scary........and how easy for an inexperienced pilot to make such a catastrophic error !!
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Post by Cath » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:03 pm

I wish I'd never read that. :s_cry
In a lengthy ruling on Tuesday [28-04-2015], Amaral was found guilty of libelling the pair and ordered to pay them €250,000 each in damages. The judge also banned further sale of his book, the Truth of the Lie.

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Post by Truthiness2 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:22 pm

I'm glad I haven't then :s_omg
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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by jjbd » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:24 pm

people obviously don't watch Air Crash Investigation series - you would never fly again!

It nearly puts me off my flight simulator.

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Post by catkins » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:30 pm

:s_biggrin I never watch those programmes.

We prefer to drive....but obviously if we go across the big pond.....Flying will have to do.... :mrgreen:
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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by Truthiness2 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:38 pm

jjbd wrote:people obviously don't watch Air Crash Investigation series - you would never fly again!

It nearly puts me off my flight simulator.


My mom loves that series. We even bought her books about it for Christmas - you'd think we'd given her earrings from Tiffany's :rolleyes:
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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by jjbd » Thu May 01, 2014 6:28 pm

Real-time tracking of passenger aeroplanes should be considered by the International Civil Aviation Organisation, a preliminary report on the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 recommends.

An accompanying document also released by the Malaysian government reveals details of attempts to track the Boeing 777 in the hours immediately following its disappearance from radar screens.

MH370 disappeared shortly after taking off from Kuala Lumpur at 12.41am on 8 March, bound for Beijing, with 239 people on board. Investigators believe it was deliberately diverted but say they have not ruled out other possibilities.

Vietnamese air traffic control began asking about the whereabouts of MH370 at 1.38am local time after the plane disappeared from its radar screens and did not make verbal contact. Nearby aircraft were asked to try to contact it, and Kuala Lumpur air traffic control tried the airline and counterparts in Singapore, Hong Kong and Phnom Penh as it searched for the plane, but it did not alert the Kuala Lumpur rescue centre until 5.30am.

Planes normally communicate with the ground via transponders – which send signals to ground-based radars – and Acars systems. In the case of MH370, both of those systems appear to have been disabled around the time that the plane disappeared. Its last Acars message was at 1.07am and the last transponder contact at 1.21am.

But the Acars system continued to make contact with satellites, and data shows that the plane flew on for several hours, with the last "handshake" at 8.19am. Specialist analysis of those contacts led Malaysia Airlines to announce weeks ago that it believed the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean with the loss of all lives.

The preliminary report states: "While commercial air transport aircraft spend considerable amounts of time operating over remote areas, there is currently no requirement for real-time tracking of these aircraft. There have now been two occasions during the last five years when large commercial air transport aircraft have gone missing and their last position was not accurately known. This uncertainty resulted in significant difficulty in locating the aircraft in a timely manner.

"Therefore, the Malaysian Air Accident Investigation Bureau makes the following safety recommendation to ICAO: it is recommended that the International Civil Aviation Organisation examine the safety benefits of introducing a standard for real-time tracking of commercial air transport aircraft."

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by jjbd » Fri May 02, 2014 10:25 am

Flight MH370: Final cockpit communications released

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27238435

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Post by catkins » Fri May 02, 2014 10:42 am

Exchange voices sounds normal to me..... :s_sad
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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by urcrazy » Fri May 02, 2014 3:47 pm

Definitely.
No sign of anything amiss.

I see an initial report has found that for about half an hour or more after handover to Vietnam, Malay ATC thought they could see the plane. What they were looking at was its projected course. Apparently that mistake has been made before.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

No Janine you poor deluded muppet, I am NOT John Lowe.
And neither, thankfully, are you.

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by jjbd » Mon May 12, 2014 10:21 am

UK satellite operator Inmarsat is to offer a free, basic tracking service to all the world's passenger airliners.

The offer follows the case of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which disappeared without trace on 8 March.

It was very brief electronic "pings" from Inmarsat equipment on the lost plane that prompted investigators to look for wreckage in the Indian Ocean.

Inmarsat says the free service it is offering would carry definitive positional information.

It would see a plane determine its location using GPS and then transmit that data - together with a heading, speed and altitude - over Inmarsat's global network of satellites every 15 minutes.

"Our equipment is on 90% of the world's wide-body jets already. This is an immediate fix for the industry at no cost to the industry," Inmarsat senior vice-president Chris McLaughlin told BBC News.

Cost is one of the reasons often cited for the reluctance of airlines to routinely use satellite tracking.

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by Chinagirl » Thu May 29, 2014 8:22 am

MH370: Indian Ocean 'discounted as final resting place'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/23937 ... ian-ocean/
[T]hose children were left alone and because of that fact one of them disappeared. (Fatima de Oliveira Esteves)

Wrong.
It's because someone took her.

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Re: Search For Malaysia Airlines Plane

Post by catkins » Thu May 29, 2014 11:02 am

Was just thinking it had gone quiet....then saw it on the News this morning...
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
DCI Redwood of Scotland Yard - stated that Madeleine could still be found - alive.
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Post by urcrazy » Thu May 29, 2014 11:56 am

Although that's the headline, it seems to me when reading the details that they have not discounted the Indian Ocean, just that specific area where they thought they heard pings.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

No Janine you poor deluded muppet, I am NOT John Lowe.
And neither, thankfully, are you.

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