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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:08 am

And the interest of those who don't.

I will perform my usual trick of adding more in edits as I go along.

Let's begin with what was supposed to be the nature of the professional and working relationship between Grime and Harrison at Praia da Luz:

Here is Harrison's personal profile:

Personal Profile
I am the National Adviser in relation to Search for all Police agencies within the United Kingdom for Missing persons, Abduction and Homicide. My role involves advising on searching for persons that are missing, abducted or murdered, using enhanced search techniques and technologies. I attend and review cases providing advice and support on search plans, strategies and resources. I have extensive national and international experience in such casework. I am a visiting Professor of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Southampton.
In compiling this report I have driven and walked around the relevant areas of Praia Da Luz during the hours of darkness and then during daylight hours. I have conducted reconnaissance flights using the Civil defence helicopter. Consultation has been made with various colleagues and subject matter experts in the development of this report.
Harrison's role, then, was to review the crime, reconnoitre the area (which he did, among other ways, by helicopter and on foot), decide what resources he wanted to bring to the investigation to help him try to solve the crime, then make the best sense he could of all information compiled in efforts to solve the crime.

Amaral says all that in his book (one to add to Carana's very short thread on UK Justice inviting discussion on what Amaral got right).

So far, so good.

Harrison drew up a proposed plan of action. Here it is:
Deploy geophysical instruments in the house and garden to detect any burial of a body or concealment in voids.

These specialists should be supported by physical search teams exploring and accessing all areas where concealment of a child's body could be made typically 0.5m.

Murat's Vehicles.

All vehicles Murat has had access to have been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however they may all benefit from a full search by the EVRD and CSI dogs. They may be able to detect whether a dead body has been transported in one of the vehicles for intelligence purposes or detect human blood deposits that can be recovered and
examined in a laboratory for Madeleine McCann's blood.

Open Area to East of Praia Da Luz.

This open area between the village urban limits and the Boavista golf club to the east and includes a plateau on which sits a trig point and mobile phone mast.
This area has been previously searched by officers and dogs walking through the area to check for Madeleine McCann's visible remains. However considering the new scenario of Homicide and concealed deposition this area affords many opportunities to dispose of a body. Within this area there are old empty properties, wells, thick vegetation, pockets of soft sand and natural fissures in the cliffs. Whilst there is no intelligence she is buried or concealed in this land it would be a natural place an offender may choose dose to the Village using the least effort principle. A proportionate response may therefore be considered to conduct a search of this area using a team of Victim Recovery Dogs (VRD) that are specifically trained to located concealed human remains.
Prior to undertaking this task it would be beneficial to consult with a Forensic Anthropologist with knowledge of this region of Portugal to give opinion as to the likely state of any remains to be found. Further research could also be conducted with regards to the natural scavenging predators in the area.

An inhibiting factor is that since the disappearance of the child an old empty house adjacent to the Trig Point on the Rocha Negra has been demolished and all rubble removed, If she was concealed within this property the search would be unlikely to detect her now.

Praia Da Luz Beach and Shoreline.

The beach and shoreline are bounded by high cliffs and shallow waters. The beach has fine granular sand and provides easy digging. However the beach is extensively used by tourists and locals and af?rds minimal areas of cover from view for concealment. It may be considered appropriate to use the VRD dog team supported by geophysical GPR to sweep the beach. This would be


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a considerable time and cost undertaking and should be weighed in the absence of specific intelligence.

Search Duration.

If all the described assets were deployed it would be likely all assets would complete their searches within one week.
The above is as noteable for what's not there as what is.

NO mention of the villa

No mention of vehicles BESIDES those (sic) owned or driven by Robert Murat

No mention of the gym.

Just a proposed schedule of searches in places Madeleine either had been or conceivably (we now know NOT!) might have been, associated with Robert Murat.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:31 am

On 24 July, one week before the first inspection, Harrison wrote this:
In complying with these terms [Harrison's terms of reference] I undertook a series of briefings and site visits. These were with GNR and PJ personnel who had been involved in the previous searches conducted the week following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in Praia da Luz.



The output of this process of reconnaissance and review was a written document entitled “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.

It recommended considering re searching:



- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.

- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.

- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.

- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.

- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.



These recommendations were based on the fact that these areas had not been previously searched with the specific intent to locate Madeleine McCann’s concealed and deceased body and that the areas recommended afforded likely and obvious places to consider for concealment in such an investigation.
Did Harrison really write, with a straight face, that the villa the McCanns moved in to long after a full-scale police and civilian search for Madeleine had been mounted, might be an obvious place to search for Madeleine's concealed and deceased remains?

Did he really write the same about a vehicle hired 3 weeks after she had vanished?

Note, still no mention of the gym

And something else important: Harrison, here, is writing in the second person, distinct from what I quoted to begin, where Harrison is very much setting out HIS proposals

(More to follow).
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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:45 am

After all inspections had been completed Harrison brought the whole thing back, full circle:
The timeline of these searches was as follows:



On 31-07-07 the PJ conducted canine searches with a search warrant at apartments in Praia da Luz that had been previously occupied by the McCanns and their friends.



On 01-08-07 the PJ and GNR assisted by a canine, conducted searches on the eastern beach and wasteland in Praia da Luz.



On 02-08-07 the PJ conducted a search warrant at a villa in Praia da Luz currently occupied by the McCann family.



Later the same day PJ officers conducted a screening procedure involving items removed from the McCann’s villa.



On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.



On 04-08-07 and 05-08-07 a search warrant was executed at the villa and gardens belonging to the PJ suspect Robert Murat. This search involved both PJ and GNR personnel supported by civil defence, geophysical equipment operators and a canine handler.



On 06-08-07 ten vehicles were searched associated to the enquiry.



On 07-08-07 the western beach and remaining wasteland areas were searched using canine and GNR personnel.



On 08-08-07 the drains around the apartment block where Madeleine McCann disappeared from were subject to a visual inspection by PJ officers.
In the above quote I have underlined where Harrison acknowledges Grime and his dogs: only in those searches Harrison originally recommended: the holiday apartments, places or vehicles associated with Robert Murat (alone) and areas in and around Praia da Luz.

None other.

Harrison summarises both inspections at villa and gym as PJ exercises.

And for the inspection of vehicles, extended beyond those (sic) owned or driven by Murat, Harrison, in the summary above, Harrison gives no clue about participation.l

Note still one absence: no reference to the inspection in the gym.

Also note that Harrison waited until AFTER both inspections at villa and gym to issue PJ personnel with translated NPIA literature on how to conduct inspections in vehicles and buildings.

Something else important to understand: permission for searches in places Madeleine never lived or went near was conditional upon there being a response from the dogs in the places Harrison, originally, recommended.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:59 am

Finally, the gym.

At least in the files we read on line, this is the first reference to it:
Following the search effected at Rua das Flores, 27, during which certain items were seized, this present inspection was performed, in a place appropriated for its purpose, attempting to identify particular pieces of clothing possibly indicated by the dogs, namely Eddy [that] indicates cadaver odours and Kila [that] indicates blood odours.
Clothing that had been laid out in the villa and ignored by the dogs was deemed to be in need of a second inspection in a different location.

In the manner the clothes were transported from villa to gym there was disregard of the principles of cross-contamination, whereby anything contaminated with a death-scent that comes into contact with, or even close to, anything else, will automatically cross-transfer a death scent to it. The clothes were simply tossed into bog-standard cardboard boxes, and all clothing apparently 'reacted to' by Eddie in the gym (previously ignored in the villa) came out of the same box.

That clothing was inspected at all should be explained.

Not even in theory could such inspections yield anything of worth to the investigation. Minute traces of Madeleine's blood on clothing (had any been found; none was) would not have been incriminating, with innocent explanations of how it might have got there.

And Harrison and Grime both made plain (Grime under protest!) that uncorroborated cadaver dog alerts are inadmissible as evidence.

That the same clothing should have been inspected twice, first time without result; second time with result, requires additional explanation.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:40 am

In the whole canon of writing on the Internet about Madeleine's disappearance, the only "explanation" I know of how the "inspection" in the gym is supposed to have come about is the one in Amaral's book.

This is it:
To avoid contamination of evidence that will be gathered at the McCanns', Mark Harrison has insisted on the availability of decontaminated premises exclusively set aside for this purpose. Julio Barroso, mayor of Lagos, agrees to lend us the garage of a new, unoccupied building in the centre of Lagos. The place is cleaned from top to bottom.

On August 2nd, at 6pm, the inspectors arrive at the McCanns' residence and present the search warrant. The principle of the examination by the specialist dogs is explained. Kate and Gerry are in the swimming pool in the garden with the twins. Contrary to all expectations, they allow us access to their house in a very natural way.

Eddie goes immediately to the lounge. He comes to a stop in front of a wicker armchair on which is lying Madeleine's small pink soft toy, which Kate was never without in the early days of the investigation. Nowadays, she wears a rosary and a green ribbon around her neck. Eddie barks to let us know that he has detected an odour: the soft toy has been in contact with a body.

The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence. These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.

At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean.

- How do I find a place at this kind of time?

- Sort it out!

Julio Barroso offers us the new sports hall in Lagos which, finally, meets the required standards. The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start. Eddie alerts us to a strong cadaver odour on some of Kate's clothes, but the CSI dog doesn't detect the slightest trace of blood.
Almost as believable as Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy .....

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:51 am

Harrison, actually, consulted statistical data bases to rule out a hypothetical musing he made on the beach that (sic) it would be possible to secrete the body of a small child under some large, free-standing boulders he noted.

Nothing else.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:29 am

Harrison's conclusion in his final report:
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:51 am

What Harrison actually said about statistical data bases:
Homicide Disposal Datasets

A limited search has been conducted of datasets that contain body disposal
data in homicide cases (CATCHEM, SCAS, FBI). Although this search was
limited due to the time constraints placed on this reports delivery an inference
can be gained from both the data sets and the authors own case work
experience. I have also consulted with NPIA and FBI colleagues to benefit
from their experiences.
The conclusion inferred is that beach burial is extremely rare. This should not
surprise us as to dig on a beach is a high risk activity requiring expending time
and energy when a more 'least effort" disposal is readily available, that is
directly into the sea. Of those limited cases that were found to be a beach
disposal the overwhelming majority were surface depositions with only one
recorded concealment using rocks on top of a 2 year old child (CATCHEM
Database)

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:48 pm

Extending the sequence, this is the statement of Aurial Gaspar:
Name: Arul Savio Gaspar

Date of statement: 16-05-2007

This statement was made in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

I currently work as a GP at Saint Clements Surgery, Birmingham, where I have been employed for the last nine years.

Madeleine is the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann and we are friends of the family.

I have known Kate since 1987, when we met at Dundee Medical School, and became friends. We have remained in touch all this time and meet up 3 or 4 times a year, we often talk on the phone or email each other.

When we first became friends in 1987 she was still known as Kate Healy, this was the case until she married Gerry at the end of 1990s. Kate and I completed our medical degrees in 1992, when we each carried on with our lives, once we had begun our careers.

After I finished my degree I began my career in Exeter, and I think Kate went to Glasgow.

I only met up with Kate again in 1997 or 1998. At that moment I was married to Katherina, we had both been invited to attend Kate and Gerry's wedding.

After their wedding we lost contact and I think they went to New Zealand.

We only met up again in 2001 in Birmingham.

The couple visited us in the house where we then living, in ******, and this was the first time I talked to Gerry.

I think that at the time Kate and Gerry were living in Queeniborough, Leicestershire.

From 2001 and 2005 we were in regular contact and often visited each other's homes.

We planned holidays for the first week of September 2005 in Majorca, Spain, together with three other couples including Kate and Gerry. We did not know the other two couples, they were friends of Kate and Gerry's, we had never met them before.

We all had children.

When we went on this holiday we had one daughter, ****** aged 18 months.

Kate and Gerry had 3 children, Madeleine almost two and the twins who were six months old.

The other couples were Fiona and David Payne and their daughter Lily who was one year old and **** and **** who had two boys aged three and one. I do not remember **** and *** surname nor the names of their children.

Katherine and I had booked the holiday for one week and the other two couples had booked for two weeks. We stayed together in a large villa.

We all arrived at the villa separately.

......

We never commented on [the gesture] during the rest of the holiday and I thought no more about it.

I can describe Dave as a Caucasian male 1.78 m tall, and of a medium complexion. He had brown hair and used glasses/contact lenses depending on the circumstances.

I can say that Dave was a pleasant person. I do not remember him having any unusual characteristics.

During the holidays Dave never behaved in an inappropriate manner with Madeleine or with any of the other children. Dave was popular with the children and I took this to be because he was a close friend to the family.


I never distrusted Dave. After the holidays there was one occasion when we were with Kate and Gerry and Fiona and Dave were also present.

That was in a restaurant in Leicester in 2005. I do not remember the name of the restaurant.

We had a pleasant evening, just the three couples without the children.

I do not remember Dave having behaved inappropriately on this occasion. We have not spoken to Dave or Fiona since December 2005, only due to their being friends of Kate and Gerry, not for any other reason.

The last time I saw Kate, Gerry, Madeleine, S*** and A***** was in March 2007 when they came to our house for the first birthday celebration of my daughter *****. On the morning of 4th May Katherine saw the news about Madeleine on television. We were very shocked and worried given that they were close friends.


It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.

It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation.

At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.

It is my wish that the police are aware of my preoccupation with the gesture made by David Payne.
Signed. .
There is a scandal here. The scandal is that a perfectly legal gesture (if arguably in questionable taste) in another country a year or longer before made by a man who was never the subject of any kind of enquiry at the time and who remains, to the present day, a respected practising doctor bringing comfort and healing to ill patients, should have been allowed to become part of the narrative of Madeleine's disappearance. English police have questions to answer about that, as well as Portuguese.

The episode also illustrates the incompetence of Amaral.

In his book, Amaral alleges that The Gaspars made a JOINT statement. As (then) a senior serving officer with the PJ, Amaral should have known that the PJ, in common with police forces around the world, take individual statements from individual witnesses.

The point is crucial here because his statement and hers could not be more different.

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Post by catkins » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:02 pm

Excellent thread HB.
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
DCI Redwood of Scotland Yard - stated that Madeleine could still be found - alive.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:04 pm

Amaral's grasp of forensics:
To: Police Scientific Laboratory
Lisbon

5th June 2007

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007. I am herewith delivering to the Police Scientific Laboratory a pair of girl's pyjamas.

The Pyjamas are from Marks and Spencers, size 2 to 3 years -97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces: camisole type without buttons and half sleeves, pink with designs, letters and tracing in white with (small) floral patterns, the right pyjama bottom leg has a design (smaller size) which is identical to that of the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

With compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Goncalo Amaral

1723 to 1725 Letter 15 March 2007 from LPC to PJ Portimao asking what should be done with the pyjamas there having been no fibres collected during the Inquiry
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1723
And the bewildered response of the Portuguese laboratory
Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref no. 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.
With compliments.

PP The Director of the SPL

Armando Santos
(Haed of Sector)
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1724
also Outros Apensos I, Vol I Page 33

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Post by Winter » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:33 am

:s_crazy :s_crazy :s_crazy :s_crazy
"there is a big difference between a few sordid insults, and publicly accusing someone of committing a serious crime - which is a crime in itself" AnnaEsse (Oh the irony!)

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Post by Alibongo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:22 am

And the idiots wonder why the media call Amaral a failed detective :s_no :s_crazy
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

Oh dear, the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing not good in an investigation is it :s_crazy

Why do they keep bringing up the Gaspars? Didn't one of them ask about the statements and got a reply saying it had been investigated? Don't they listen to what they are told? The answer is no, because they want things to slot into their mind boggling theory of the twisted truth.
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Whiterose wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:14 am
With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

Oh dear, the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing not good in an investigation is it :s_crazy

Why do they keep bringing up the Gaspars? Didn't one of them ask about the statements and got a reply saying it had been investigated? Don't they listen to what they are told? The answer is no, because they want things to slot into their mind boggling theory of the twisted truth.
Yes they did get an answer saying it had been fully investigated
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=5639&hilit=Sheila ... +statement
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Post by Whiterose » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:35 pm

Winter wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:15 pm
Whiterose wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:14 am
With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

Oh dear, the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing not good in an investigation is it :s_crazy

Why do they keep bringing up the Gaspars? Didn't one of them ask about the statements and got a reply saying it had been investigated? Don't they listen to what they are told? The answer is no, because they want things to slot into their mind boggling theory of the twisted truth.
Yes they did get an answer saying it had been fully investigated
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=5639&hilit=Sheila ... +statement
Maybe that should be posted on twitter to remind them yet again Winter, they are very slow to take anything in aren't they.
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Post by Winter » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:39 pm

Whiterose wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:35 pm
Winter wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:15 pm
Whiterose wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:14 am
With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

Oh dear, the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing not good in an investigation is it :s_crazy

Why do they keep bringing up the Gaspars? Didn't one of them ask about the statements and got a reply saying it had been investigated? Don't they listen to what they are told? The answer is no, because they want things to slot into their mind boggling theory of the twisted truth.
Yes they did get an answer saying it had been fully investigated
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=5639&hilit=Sheila ... +statement
Maybe that should be posted on twitter to remind them yet again Winter, they are very slow to take anything in aren't they.
Not the sharpest knives in the drawer are they? Then again perhaps they know fine and just ignore, which is more likely IMO.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Whiterose wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:35 pm
Winter wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:15 pm
Whiterose wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:14 am
With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

Oh dear, the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing not good in an investigation is it :s_crazy

Why do they keep bringing up the Gaspars? Didn't one of them ask about the statements and got a reply saying it had been investigated? Don't they listen to what they are told? The answer is no, because they want things to slot into their mind boggling theory of the twisted truth.
Yes they did get an answer saying it had been fully investigated
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=5639&hilit=Sheila ... +statement
Maybe that should be posted on twitter to remind them yet again Winter, they are very slow to take anything in aren't they.
I'm not sure how to do it, but I'm very happy for anyone who is to post it; indeed, to use any material in this thread in any way they want (consistent with the aim of getting the truth out there!)

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:20 pm

When I have the time I will post, in full, the article in The Guardian that gave rise to the brouhaha about 'plea-bargains', then dismantle it.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:52 am

Well, here it is:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/ ... asection13

Simultaneously the writer Giles Tremlett's defence is also his undoing: lack of hard and reliable information, the currency of all responsible journalism, but a plethora of half-truths, innuendos and outright lies, at the time, leaking copiously from an investigation, supposedly, under official secrecy.

Tremlett got one thing right. The deal put to Kate and Gerry was not a 'plea-bargain'. But he dangerously inferred from that, and at the very least implied, that neither was there (at least the offer of) a 'deal'.

Emphatically and unreservedly a deal was offered to Kate and Gerry, and flat refused by them.

With a luxury denied to Tremlett at the time he wrote that article, publication of both the files and Kate's book, I was able, I think, to set the record straight with a blog-article for Amaral fiction blogspot, which I will post in an edit.

http://amaralfiction.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... s-you.html

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