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Re: The Sun

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:31 pm
by sal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8640524/m ... t-netflix/


EGG WITH A SIDE PARTING' Bungling Portuguese Madeleine McCann cops put out rubbish featureless sketch in hunt for ‘kidnapper’, new Netflix doc reveals
The sensational new Netflix doc details the calamitous investigation into the British girl's disappearance in 2007

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:42 am
by sal
sal wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:22 pm
Sandra Felgueiras....those cops lied to me.

SF interview that Morais didn't care to translate.


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SF: “That was my turning point. And when this happened, I understood that the intention of those cops that were inside the investigation was not honest.”

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:08 pm
by catkins
I remember that she said that she had been misled / lied to.....way back.....Obviously the trolls will bypass this part. :rolleyes:

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:36 am
by scoobydoo
sal wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:42 am
sal wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:22 pm
Sandra Felgueiras....those cops lied to me.

SF interview that Morais didn't care to translate.


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NETFLIX

SF: “That was my turning point. And when this happened, I understood that the intention of those cops that were inside the investigation was not honest.”
The thing is at first glance when they said DNA matching Madeleine was found in the car and dogs alerted to blood and a body it sounds so convincing. But once you look at the results it comes down to nothing.

The dogs are meaningless, dogs like this alerted in the search for one of the missing Cleveland women who was as we now know alive. There are multiple cases where that sort of thing has happened. Their use us for helping actually find a body, not for telling people one was there. And look at what happened in Jersey, they just followed the dog and on the dogs alert proclaimed they had found a skull when in fact it turned out to be a piece of old coconut shell.

The DNA was shown to have come from multiple people and the alleles that matched Madeleine could themselves have come from multiple people. Alleles are not unique in themselves and a child would get every single allele in their DNA from their parents. So any place where the parents shed DNA would result in alleles matching the three children being found and vice versa. Plus if her belongings were in the car her DNA could get in it that way.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:03 pm
by Whiterose
sal wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:42 am
sal wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:22 pm
Sandra Felgueiras....those cops lied to me.

SF interview that Morais didn't care to translate.


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NETFLIX

SF: “That was my turning point. And when this happened, I understood that the intention of those cops that were inside the investigation was not honest.”

Bennett - Did someone at the top of her TV company order her to make up stories about Amaral if she wanted to keep her job?


What a ridiculous suggestion :s_crazy

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:39 pm
by Alibongo
I think it would of taken Sandra Felgueiras a lot of gumption to make that statement, quite simply Amaral flat out lied and she saw through him and his cohorts.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 pm
by sal
..and said thank god he was replaced.
and she now felt very embarrassed to have been a part.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:23 pm
by sal
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Don’t agree with critics of Netflix doc on #MadeleineMcCann. I wonder if they’ve watched all 8 hours. Though over-long it is a thorough & rounded account of the case with many interviews I’ve not seen before. Explains & exposes police & PI failings & defamatory media coverage.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:16 pm
by honestbroker1
sal wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:23 pm
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Don’t agree with critics of Netflix doc on #MadeleineMcCann. I wonder if they’ve watched all 8 hours. Though over-long it is a thorough & rounded account of the case with many interviews I’ve not seen before. Explains & exposes police & PI failings & defamatory media coverage.
It does, indeed, seem to the haters laying into the documentary most savagely.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:16 pm
by sidmouth
Just watched Sandra Felgueiras on the documentary. Finally, shes realised what lying sods the PJ were.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:55 pm
by sal
Netflix Review: 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' is an uncompromising look at a compromised investigation
Cold, methodical and uncompromising, 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' puts the media, the investigation and the McCanns under the microscope.
Netflix Review: 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' is an uncompromising look at a compromised investigation
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Everyone has a theory about what happened to Madeline McCann.
The fact that the case is still open, some 12 years after her disappearance, practically invites it. More than that, however, is that the investigation into her disappearance has been more controversial and more riven with inconsistencies and inaccuracies than any other like it. Coming into 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann', what's clear is that the producers of the eight-part series are not only aware of these, but also actively work with them.

The first three episodes set out the initial findings of the case, introduce the parents, the village of Praia De Luz, the journalists who covered the story, and the local investigators involved. Like us, they're following the evidence as it comes out in dribs and drabs, as Portugal's legal rulings on open investigations prevent factual reporting on them.

All while this is happening, a timeline of events is being built up, then knocked down by jarring reports, all as the local investigation begins to close in on a conclusion, one that's even backed up with some near-perfect editing. Again, what the documentary does so well is that it uses the apocryphal information that anyone with a tenuous grasp of facts might know - that sniffer dogs had identified blood, that the other children were sedated - to knock them down and replace them with cold, hard facts.

Neither Kate McCann or Gerry McCann were interviewed for the series Neither Kate McCann or Gerry McCann were interviewed for the series
It's not enjoyable, or even entertaining, because we're so used to cold-case investigations to be blown wide open with crazy leaps of information, or bizarre twists and turns to lead to the truth. With 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann', it is bizarre and it features twists and turns - but none of them lead anywhere. That's what so frustrating about it all, that so much of the documentary is devoted to chasing dead-ends, clearing up the wrongful investigation of the likes of Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka or even the McCanns themselves, that so little it seems is devoted to finding Madeline.

By the fifth episode, the documentary's focus has shifted off from the McCanns by thorough reasoning and deduction, and brought in new lines of inquiry and investigation that - again - lead nowhere. That's probably the most disturbing thing that comes out of the documentary; that it's been 12 years and there is still no conclusive evidence to suggest Madeline McCann is either alive or dead.

There can be no doubt that something awful happened, that it exacted a terrible cost on the McCanns, and that there is - to this day - no comfort for them, even when they have been vindicated of any wrongdoing in their daughter's disappearance. Yet, the documentary does not make light or even become sentimental in how it treats them.


It is cold, dispassionate in where it chooses to go, and has all the rigour and fastidiousness of a proper investigation. Even the journalists who are interviewed are put in the firing line, and their own culpability is called into question as to how they allowed these false stories come into being. Again, it's dry and analytical stuff, because the Madeline McCann story has been so drenched in tabloid ink that it needs it.

One of the reconstructed scenes from 'The Disappearance Of Madeline McCann' One of the reconstructed scenes from 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann'
It requires a level of almost boring, bland retelling so that you can take it as genuine. The reconstructions, trite though they may be, are used sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. There is nothing in 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' that could be construed as sensationalist or exploitative. There are few moments when it decides to draw a conclusion, but it's then revealed as a teachable moment - case in point being, the end of the third episode with a sniffer dog's bark and the cliffhanger it leads into the fourth episode.

By the final episodes of the series, you do get the sense that it has been stretched thin. An entire episode is devoted to an Irish con artist who was involved in the investigation which feels superfluous, not to mention the McCanns' testimony at the Leveson Inquiry is also a focus point of it. While this may be adding context, it does somewhat make it even more drab and frustrating, as it offers nothing new to the investigation.

That aside, what 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' offers is a methodical, analytical investigation into a crime and a story that was anything but.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:02 pm
by catkins
Alibongo wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:39 pm
I think it would of taken Sandra Felgueiras a lot of gumption to make that statement, quite simply Amaral flat out lied and she saw through him and his cohorts.
WIsh she had been more vocal about it at the time.....but I guess she wanted to stay safe and keep her job. :s_sad

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:11 pm
by sal
catkins wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:02 pm
Alibongo wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:39 pm
I think it would of taken Sandra Felgueiras a lot of gumption to make that statement, quite simply Amaral flat out lied and she saw through him and his cohorts.
WIsh she had been more vocal about it at the time.....but I guess she wanted to stay safe and keep her job. :s_sad
Perhaps we would have seen the full interview all those year ago if Morais and co hadn't chose to ignore what didn't suit their agenda.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:43 pm
by sal

Re: The Sun

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:49 pm
by sal
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The finest investigators in the world have looked at this case (NSY) & they have not judged the parents to be suspects. Their suspect status was lifted by the PJ & the no credible evidence points to them. Those are facts.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:09 am
by sal

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:51 am
by sal

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:34 am
by catkins
sal wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:09 am
Jim Gamble
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Can't get it Sal.....Plus the Mirror link says page not found..

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:19 pm
by sal

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:54 pm
by catkins

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:26 pm
by sal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8662472/m ... y-reveals/


LUDICROUS ALLEGATIONS
His co-author, Robbyn Swan, said: "Essentially the Portuguese cops' case against the McCann's involved the following: that she died by accident on May 3; that the supposed checks on the children had been concocted; that they had hidden their daughter's body... and that her body had subsequently been transported in the rental car they had rented some weeks later."

Kate and Gerry were officially named arguida - official suspects - around this time, and were both interrogated by cops.

However, months later final forensic reports confirmed there was no viable evidence linking Madeleine's DNA to the holiday apartment or car.

Jim Gamble, a former top child protection officer, told producers: "Ultimately when you read through the detail of the DNA you see the absolute red herring it was, but it was a dangerous red herring because I think investigators in Portugal thought this was a smoking gun."

And Portuguese journalist Sandra Felgueiras said she had felt "lied to" by her Portuguese police sources, who had tried to claim the evidence was damning.

'I REALISED THESE COPS .... WERE NOT HONEST'
She added: "When this happened I understood that the intention of those cops that were inside this investigation was not honest."

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:58 pm
by Alibongo
I think the sale of industrial carpets must be at an all time high :mrgreen: :pop2:

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:11 pm
by catkins
Alibongo wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:58 pm
I think the sale of industrial carpets must be at an all time high :mrgreen: :pop2:

Definitely... :dance-p:

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:16 pm
by sidmouth
Remember Paulo Reis's e mail that was published on the forums saying the same thing Sandra F said? Not long after that he left Portugal.

Re: The Sun

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:18 pm
by catkins
Yep.......I remember Sandra saying this about being given wrong DNA info.....I wish it had been picked up by the Media back then.