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But the source said Met Police officers could be investigating Ney without telling the couple.
Then why the hell is the speculation in The Sun?

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For heaven's sake.

It makes not a scrap of difference whether Madeleine's DNA was in the mix, or whether it wasn't. Her belongings were transported in the boot making, probably, more likely than not that her DNA WAS in the mix.

But, you know, so what?

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https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mc ... s-11711592


Madeleine McCann: New suspect is German man under investigation for alleged child s-e-x offences
Police continue to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, 12 years after she vanished in Portugal.
By Martin Brunt, crime correspondent, in Portugal

Sunday 5 May 2019 07:01, UK
MADELEINE MCCANN
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Madeleine McCann went missing 12 years ago



The new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is a German man already being investigated over alleged child s-e-x offences, Sky News can reveal.

He is one of two suspects who are currently the focus of teams of detectives in Portugal and the UK.

The man was on remand in prison in Germany when police there decided to alert the Portuguese team which is working with Scotland Yard on the Madeleine case.


Madeleine was four when she disappeared
It has led to a boost in funding and manpower for the Portuguese detectives, who are based in Porto.

The suspect is thought to have been living on the Algarve coast when Madeleine vanished 12 years ago.



He had not been a suspect at the time, though many alleged p.a.e.d.o.philes were investigated and eliminated.


The development comes at a time of renewed optimism in the small Scotland Yard team, which has asked the Home Office for a whole year of funding to keep its part of the investigation going.

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honestbroker1 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:29 am
For heaven's sake.

It makes not a scrap of difference whether Madeleine's DNA was in the mix, or whether it wasn't. Her belongings were transported in the boot making, probably, more likely than not that her DNA WAS in the mix.

But, you know, so what?
That's true, but the DNA found also matched her parents. Any time a person's DNA is found then fifty percent of the alleles found will be a match for their child's DNA. That is very basic explanation, but it's right. In this case not one identifiable DNA strand was found all they can say is 35 different alleles were found when looking at twenty different genes which as we know people have x number of possible alleles at each different gene and there are z different allele variations so we can ascertain that there were three to five individuals present. Of those thirty five alleles, alleles that matched Madeleine's 19 (she had two identical alleles at one gene) . But due to the rules of genetic inheritance Madeleine shared every single allele in her entire DNA with her parents, there was not one allele unique to her. Her parents in turn shared every single allele in their bodies with their parents. Madeleine and her parents then shared alleles with their siblings. Therefore it is an impossibility that Gerry and Kate McCann left DNA anywhere without alleles matching Madeleine being found. Any time you examine a person's alleles you will find fifty percent of the alleles present match their child's alleles and one hundred percent match their biological parents.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sun May 05, 2019 9:31 pm

scoobydoo wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 9:26 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:29 am
For heaven's sake.

It makes not a scrap of difference whether Madeleine's DNA was in the mix, or whether it wasn't. Her belongings were transported in the boot making, probably, more likely than not that her DNA WAS in the mix.

But, you know, so what?
That's true, but the DNA found also matched her parents. Any time a person's DNA is found then fifty percent of the alleles found will be a match for their child's DNA. That is very basic explanation, but it's right. In this case not one identifiable DNA strand was found all they can say is 35 different alleles were found when looking at twenty different genes which as we know people have x number of possible alleles at each different gene and there are z different allele variations so we can ascertain that there were three to five individuals present. Of those thirty five alleles, alleles that matched Madeleine's 19 (she had two identical alleles at one gene) . But due to the rules of genetic inheritance Madeleine shared every single allele in her entire DNA with her parents, there was not one allele unique to her. Her parents in turn shared every single allele in their bodies with their parents. Madeleine and her parents then shared alleles with their siblings. Therefore it is an impossibility that Gerry and Kate McCann left DNA anywhere without alleles matching Madeleine being found. Any time you examine a person's alleles you will find fifty percent of the alleles present match their child's alleles and one hundred percent match their biological parents.
Yep!

Excellent post, Scooby.

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German triple child-killer is 'NOT the new Madeleine McCann suspect being probed by police', Portuguese media claim

Child s-e-x killer Martin Ney is not the new Madeleine McCann suspect Portuguese police are investigating, it was claimed today.

Convicted triple-murderer Ney, 48, was reportedly named as a 'person of interest' by Portuguese police following a tip off from Scotland Yard.

The killer, known as the 'masked man', is said to have visited the Algarve region and travelled extensively throughout Portugal in the 1990s.

However leading Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha claimed that Ney was not the 'new suspect' currently being investigated by detectives.

It reported today: 'A German p.a.e.dophile, serving life for the murder of three children and the sexual abuse of dozens more youngsters, was named by the British press as a Madeleine McCann suspect.





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ished.html

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A German pedophile, serving a life sentence for the murder of three children and abuse of dozens of others, has been singled out by the English media as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. This is not, however, the new suspect that the Porto Judicial Police ...

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sal wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 8:55 am
German triple child-killer is 'NOT the new Madeleine McCann suspect being probed by police', Portuguese media claim

Child s-e-x killer Martin Ney is not the new Madeleine McCann suspect Portuguese police are investigating, it was claimed today.

Convicted triple-murderer Ney, 48, was reportedly named as a 'person of interest' by Portuguese police following a tip off from Scotland Yard.

The killer, known as the 'masked man', is said to have visited the Algarve region and travelled extensively throughout Portugal in the 1990s.

However leading Portuguese tabloid Correio da Manha claimed that Ney was not the 'new suspect' currently being investigated by detectives.

It reported today: 'A German p.a.e.dophile, serving life for the murder of three children and the sexual abuse of dozens more youngsters, was named by the British press as a Madeleine McCann suspect.





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ished.html
Child s-e-x killer Martin Ney is not the new Madeleine McCann suspect Portuguese police are investigating, it was claimed today.
I don't think Scotland Yard are, either.

If they were, why would they have applied for, and been granted, an extra year's funding?

Ney is in custody.

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sal wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 10:45 am
C d M

A German pedophile, serving a life sentence for the murder of three children and abuse of dozens of others, has been singled out by the English media as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. This is not, however, the new suspect that the Porto Judicial Police ...

Ler mais em: https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalh ... a-a-maddie
English media, I think, is right.

NOT the Police.

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One suspect is feared to have carried out up to 28 s-e-x attacks on other children within a 40-mile radius of the apartment from which then-three-year-old Madeleine went missing.
This investigation stretches far beyond Madeleine, justifying the cost.

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Post by catkins » Thu May 09, 2019 11:27 am

If it doesn't come from OGs mouth or the McCanns I take things with a huge pinch of salt.

There is no way OG would go public unless they were 100% after someone and needed help to trace them.

I can't speak for the Portuguese though.
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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catkins wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 11:27 am
If it doesn't come from OGs mouth or the McCanns I take things with a huge pinch of salt.

There is no way OG would go public unless they were 100% after someone and needed help to trace them.

I can't speak for the Portuguese though.
Totally agree cat :s_thumbsup secret means secret to OG.
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Post by Alibongo » Fri May 10, 2019 9:37 am

Any paper describing Colin Sutton as a hero cop should be cut into squares and hung on a peg in the outside lavatory :s_yes
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Good grief.

The world's gone mad:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9052060/m ... ctor-test/
A CHILD killer identified as a suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance has been challenged to take a lie detector test to prove his innocence by a polygraph expert.

Martin Ney, whose name was given to Scotland Yard as a possible suspect, is serving a life sentence for strangling three boys.

Child killer Martin Ney has been named by investigators looking into Madeleine McCann's disappearance
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Child killer Martin Ney has been named by investigators looking into Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Madeleine McCann vanished 12 years ago on May 3, 2007, when her family were on holidayPA:PRESS ASSOCIATION
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Madeleine McCann vanished 12 years ago on May 3, 2007, when her family were on holiday
The German is said to resemble the photofit of a man seen carrying a child from the Portuguese holiday complex where the youngster vanished.

Don Cargill, president of the European and British Polygraph Association, has told Ney to prove his claim of not being involved in Maddie’s disappearance.

She vanished 12 years ago on May 3, 2007, when her family, from Leicestershire, were holidaying in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, Portugal.

Parents Gerry and Kate left their three children – including toddler twins S*** and A***** – sleeping in their apartment while they dined at a tapas bar - 120 metres away.

When Kate returned to check on the kids at around 10pm that evening, she discovered that Maddie was not in her bed and was missing.

Ney, 48, emerged as a key suspect in May 2019 - and it is believed he was in Portugal when Maddie went missing.

He was working for an evangelical church on a project for the homeless, it's claimed.

Mr Cargill insists lie detector tests are 90-95 per cent accurate and would conclusively prove if Ney was telling the truth about not being involved.

TAKE A TEST
The polygraph expert has been involved in two major successes involving lie detectors.

He got farmer Adrian Prout to admit in jail he murdered his missing wife, and proved Liverpool FC fan Michael Shields was innocent of attacking a waiter in Bulgaria.

Mr Cargill, 67, has invited Met Police detectives to contact him to establish if Ney is willing to undergo the 90 minute test, which monitors a patient’s blood pressure, heart and sweat rates, while they answer questions.

He said: “If Ney’s telling the truth, he’s got nothing to hide or fear from me. I think he’d welcome the chance of clearing his name.”

Scotland Yard and Portugal’s Polícia Judiciária have kept the new suspect’s name secret, but former Portuguese cop Gonçalo Amaral claimed he has knowledge of a German being investigated.

He refused to identify Ney by name but says a German suspect was quizzed by PJ detectives as part of their 2008 probe.

Mr Amaral said he was ruled out of the investigation but jailed in Germany for "offences unconnected to the Maddie case".
Polygraph tests?

Next step, the ducking stool

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The spat between Mr Burgess's Distress Services and Mr Cargill's company, Nadac Group, began last year following an episode of The Trisha Goddard Show in which a woman was accused by her family of stealing a £38,000 Rolex watch.

Betty Hipson, a 57-year-old grandmother from Leatherhead, contacted the producers at Trisha Goddard because her family had accused her of stealing the watch. She wanted to take a lie detector test to prove her innocence. The polygraph test was conducted by Mr Cargill's company and found Mrs Hipson was lying.

Undeterred, Mrs Hipson went to Mr Burgess's company for a second test, which, unlike the previous polygraph, found her innocent of stealing the watch. Mrs Hipson then complained to Ofcom about the Trisha show and it was during correspondence between the show's producers and the Nadac Group that, according to the writ, Mr Cargill accused his rival of being fired from a government-backed programme.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/medi ... 48849.html

Whoever's right, it doesn't seem very reliable...
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Post by catkins » Sat May 25, 2019 11:50 am

Thanks Sal.....I don't think a 3 yrs old would wander out in the dark anywhere and that place was badly lit up back then.

I go by...A Met Police spokesman said: "The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann remains ongoing. We are not providing a running commentary."
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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